5 profiles for dark roasted beans

If you've ever wondered "What's the point of profiling espresso machines?" and you're a fan of dark roasted coffee beans, this video will answer that.

We'll dial in 5 profiles, which go from fruitier flavors toward more traditional flavors.  At the end, we show to edit a 3 stage profile to change the acidity and flavor balance with sliders.

Profiles:

1. 80's - best for getting fruity flavors (raisins, red wine)
2. Londonium (LRv3) - best for getting a full bodied cup without harshness
3. Cremina - best for classic Italian espresso, big, strong, wake-me-up
4. Best overall - best for milking
5. E61 - best for balanced acidity

Note: this is filmed at the Decent Espresso Factory Cafe, and as this is a real factory, you can (especially at the start) hear pallets thundering around on the floor above us.

We made similar videos for 5 profiles for light roasted beans and 5 profiles for Medium Roasted Beans.


Here is a blog post based on the transcript:


Dialing In Dark Roasts: 5 Espresso Profiles, Tasted & Compared

Dark roast coffee often gets a bad rap. It's associated with burnt, ashy, “forest fire” flavors. But as we discovered in a recent deep-dive tasting session using the Decent Espresso machine, the right profile can transform a dark roast into a smooth, chocolatey, and surprisingly complex shot.

We tested five different profiles: 80s Espresso, Londinium, Cremina, Best Overall, and E61. We used the same dark roasted beans (Tuberga from Eurocaf in Turin, Italy), the same 18g dose (with one notable exception), and varied only the grind and extraction method.

Here's everything we learned about taming dark roasts, avoiding rancid notes, and finding the perfect shot for your taste.


The Golden Rules for Dark Roasts

Before we get to the profiles, let's establish some ground rules that came up again and again.

1. Freshness is everything. Dark roasts degrade faster because the high heat breaks down oils. This is why gas stations in Italy often serve the best espresso—they go through beans so quickly that they're always fresh.
2. Freeze your beans. The beans we used were a month old, but they were sealed and frozen at -30°C immediately after arrival. This preserves them remarkably well.
3. Slow flow rates are your friend. For dark roasts, slower extractions (1-1.2 ml/s) produce thicker, smoother shots.
4. Avoid long pre-infusions. This can over-extract dark roasts, leading to dry, bitter, “bad filtered coffee” flavors.
5. Use a grinder that creates fines. A Niche grinder or any slower RPM conical burr set helps create the fines that maintain puck integrity during a long shot. High RPM flat burrs can also work. Avoid very large flat burr grinders that don't produce fines, as those are best suited for light roasts.


We pulled each shot with 18g in, 36g out, unless otherwise noted.

1. 80s Espresso (The Low-Temp Fruit Saver)

  • Temp: Starts at 80°C, drops to 70°C (15°C+ cooler than normal).
  • Grind: Fine (22 on Niche).
  • Time: ~25 seconds.
  • Key Feature: No pre-infusion. Maximum water flow from the start. A descending temperature profile.

  • The Idea: Paul (the profile's creator) doesn't love dark roasts. He created this to extract less of the burnt, tarry flavors and try to coax out any remaining fruitiness.

    The Result: Thick, traditional-looking espresso with less crema. The lower temperature successfully minimizes burnt notes. However, at 25 seconds, we found it a bit thin and “dusty.” The expert tip? Pull this shorter. An 18g in, 18g out (1:1 ratio) ristretto is much smoother, mimicking the small, frequent shots drunk in Italy.

    2. The 12g Waisted Basket (A Game Changer)

    Before moving on, we tried the 80s profile again, but this time with a 12g dose in a “waisted” (narrower, tapered) basket. This mimics the smaller-diameter baskets of traditional lever machines (44-49mm vs. 58mm).

    The Difference: Night and day. The thicker puck produced less channeling, way more mouthfeel, and eliminated the dustiness. The shot ran for 37 seconds with a beautiful “mouse tail” and tiger striping. The flavor was smooth, with baker's chocolate and zero staleness. Get a waisted (or "step down") basket for dark roasts.

    3. Londinium (The Full-Bodied Traditionalist)

  • Temp: ~88°C.
  • Grind: Fine (20 on Niche).
  • Time: ~30 seconds.

  • Key Feature: Fast fill, then a pause under pressure* (~3 bar) until dripping starts, then a rise to 9 bar, then a decline.

    The Result: Thick, tiger-striped crema. This extracts far more from the bean than the 80s profile. The flavor was big, bold, and full of dark chocolate. This is the profile for quality dark roasts that have subtlety to them. It maximizes body and traditional Italian flavor.

    4. Cremina (The Texture King)

  • Temp: 92°C (4°C hotter than Londinium).
  • Grind: Fine (20 on Niche).
  • Time: 44 seconds.
  • Key Feature: A longer shot with aggressive pressure decline to maintain thickness as the puck erodes.

  • The Result: Insanely thick. So thick the crema wouldn't separate with a spoon. The aftertaste lingers much longer. This is the harshest, most intense shot—a real “wake you up at the end of a meal” espresso. It tastes like a classic, high-temperature Italian petrol station shot. If you want syrupy mouthfeel above all else, this is your profile.

    5. Best Overall (The Milk Drink Hero)

  • Temp: 88°C.
  • Grind: Fine (20 on Niche).
  • Key Feature: A simple 3-step profile: fast fill, quick rise to ~7.8 bar, then a gentle decline.

  • The Result: Less crema, easier drinking. This shot was smooth, with bitter dark chocolate notes but no acidity. The consensus? This is the best profile for milk drinks (lattes, flat whites). The lack of acidity and smooth body blends perfectly with milk without getting lost or becoming harsh.

    6. E61 (The Surprise Winner for Straight Espresso)

  • Temp: 92°C.
  • Grind: Coarsest of all (25, then adjusted to 22 on Niche).
  • Time: 24 seconds (adjusted).
  • Key Feature: No pre-infusion. Hit the puck hard at 9 bar and sustain 9 bar.

  • The Controversy: Our host admitted he's not a fan of E61 machines, calling the classic E61 design “temperature unstable.” But for this tasting, the E61 profile on the Decent (same as the E61 machine, but with temperature stability) it won.

    The Result: A faster flow rate (4 ml/s) created a shot with noticeable acidity—a welcome change after so many chocolate bombs. The shorter extraction time (24 seconds) prevented the tarry flavors from emerging, leaving a clean baker's chocolate note with a bright balance. For a dark roast lover who actually wants some acidity, this was the favorite straight espresso of the day.

    How to Use the Decent's 3-Step Editor for Dark Roasts

    The beauty of the Decent is that you can create your own profile by starting with E61 and tinkering.

  • Add a line-pressure pre-infusion (3 bar for 12s). This evolves the classic E61.
  • Add a gentle pressure decline. As the flow rate starts to increase (puck eroding), tell the machine to drop pressure. This keeps the flow constant.
  • Sweet spot: Ending the shot between 4-6 bar gives a “really pleasing balance of acidity to other flavors.”
  • Avoid long pre-infusions with dark roasts—it leads to over-extraction and dryness.
  • Fast fill is critical. Get the puck saturated as quickly as possible to maximize body and minimize channeling.

  • The Bottom Line: Which Profile Should You Choose?

    Minimal burnt flavors, fruit potential

  • Profile: 80s Espresso (pull as a 1:1 ristretto in a waisted basket)

  • Maximum body & traditional dark chocolate

  • Profile: Cremina (or Londinium for slightly less intensity)

  • The best milk drink base

  • Profile: Best Overall

  • Surprising acidity & balance (straight shot)

  • Profile: E61 (dialed in to 24-25 seconds)

  • A Note on Buying Dark Roasts (From Turin with Love)

    The beans used were from Eurocaf in Turin, Italy. The founder's son is actually a light-roast pour-over guy who respects tradition but doesn't want to “burn the hell out of his beans.” That's why they work so well.

    Your takeaway: Find a roaster who cares about freshness. Open the bag. Does it smell good, or are there rancid, off-putting notes? If the beans are greasy and shiny, those oils have already started to go bad. And please, never buy dark roast beans from a grocery store. They are almost certainly old.

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    john created 2025/04/29, john updated 2026/05/04